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Thoughts on The Departed in the aftermath of Oscar ... though considering all the red-meat exchanges on this already (see comments to Jonathan Rosenbaum's post of February 27), I'm not sure what more I can add here ...

In any case, what's got me going is Andrew Tracy's take-no-prisoners assault (in the winter issue of Cinema Scope magazine) on what he calls "the mostly uncritical canonization of The Departed" and, more important, of its fulsomely lionized director. "Do we really need Martin Scorsese?" is Tracy's first shot across the bow: "Good filmmakers naturally inspire proprietary feelings, but Scorsese has become less a going concern than a public trust. ... Hyperbolic overpraise can be a valuable weapon, but ... the possessive discourse swirling about Scorsese is little more than a many-throated monologue, and one from which the filmmaker himself has been largely excluded." Still it's "no more than poetic justice, for with [The Departed] Scorsese has absented his voice altogether. Whatever their individual virtues, flaws, or outright failings, the majority of Scorsese’s films have been about something, even if sometimes no more than their director’s ambition. The crucial defect of The Departed is that it is about nothing ... "

Actually, Tracy is almost too kind, since with the exception of what he refers to as "the Mean Streets-GoodFellas-Casino axis," plus a couple other candidates he can't quite fit in--The King of Comedy, New York, New York (to which I'd add Raging Bull, Taxi Driver, and--in its own anachronistic, San Gennaro-ish way--The Last Temptation of Christ ... not to mention Gangs of New York, which Tracy doesn't so I won't either), each displaying the same kind of punk-smart, tales-from-the-naked-city street vibe--the "voice" he alludes to (or theme, or point of view, whatever the unifying rubric might be) has never really been there at all. Because what we've gotten mostly is helter-skelter scramble just to stay ahead of the pack: what's my motivation this time, and how to one-up the competition without losing your classical auteur's cred? Hard to hold that place in the pantheon when the ground's shifting under your feet, and for Scorsese there's always that threat of imminent collapse. Which is what makes every new film of his an adventure--eternal masterpiece or fall-on-your-face failure, and how does he keep all those balls in the air at once?--success always hanging by the slenderest of threads. But the odds keep getting worse and worse, and it's always a question of where do we go from here? So much easier if you're Tony Scott or Michael Mann, whose aesthetic commitments--to formal disintegration on the one hand, enervated tropicalia on the other--get them through the shoals, the pointillist/entropic brushwork applying equally to car chases, exploding haystacks, portraits of the lost and deranged ... But Scorsese's the everlasting chameleon, and for him it doesn't work that way.

Has there ever been an exit from this dilemma, that our scrambling hero might not have to reinvent--or, even worse, remotivate--himself with every new project taken? Arguably yes, and I'm thinking that The Age of Innocence--albeit  least characteristic of Scorsese's major films--holds the key. Consider its effortlessly gliding camera, tracking across lavish expanses of fabric, opulent parties, elegant banquet spreads, registering every fugitive incident--cigars being lit and intimacies exchanged, etc--but only glancingly, never holding dear to any one thing. An exercise in Zen, more or less--let's call it the bodhi option--which is also more or less transferable to every imaginable theme, like the breakup and entropy of Scott and Mann. Unfortunately, a couple years later came Kundun--though if ever a film cried out for bodhi, you'd swear this was the one. Not nearly the case: only wistful longings for vanished mountainscapes and mandalas, for abandoned destinies across the border, just the opposite of nonattachment, all literal and lachrymose and very much anti-Zen. Which implies, for me anyway, that it's all just grist for the maestro: not vision but opportunity, just one dispensable damn thing after another.

Back to where we started: so here you are now, The Departed under your belt and Oscar freshly on the mantel, all sleek and shiny in its reflected glory ... which, come to think of it, is a lot like most of your recent films, or at least the "better" selection of same, the "Casino to Aviator axis." Well, thank God that's over with, so what's left on the table?

Just fill the tank, Marty, you've been running on empty too long ...


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Noel Vera
March 2nd - 11:49 p.m.
On that Casino-Aviator axis...

Need to see Casino again. Someone's making the case (I won't say who it is, except he thought Jack 'peerlessly funny') that it's his masterpiece. I remember preferring it to Goodfellas.
Lee Hill
March 4th - 8:27 p.m.
Ah, instant film criticism...can't live with it, can't live without it. The most puzzling thing about Scorsese's Oscar win is his depressingly palpable desire to win one of the things. It seems to me that his need to win accelerated in direct proportion to a growing mainstream consensus that he was "washed up" and that The Departed represents some comeback. Now I know the internet is factory designed for those with short attention spans, but I am trying to figure out what is so awful about Scorsese's recent work. Kundun, Bringing Out The Dead, Age of Innocence, his multipart looks at American and Italian cinema and the masterfully edited doc, No Direction Home, are hardly the work of a jaded, burnt out hack. Casino, Gangs of New York and The Aviator certainly have their fans and critics, but I whatever their perceived flaws, they are certainly not short on ambition and scope. I continue to think of Scorsese as American film's Truffaut... a filmmaker whose youthful passion and appetite for the medium and its history are undiminished. If Scorsese is "running on empty", I guess 95 per cent of the rest of the DGA is flatlining.
Dave
March 4th - 11:25 p.m.
Great post by Lee Hill. I think he nailed it.
Joseph Campanella
March 5th - 1 p.m.
HILL is right on the money.
Save all the garbage talk for films like "Saw III." Anyone who still uses split-field diopters is automatically cooler than 99% of filmmakers.
pat g.
March 5th - 5:25 p.m.
NOEL--liking/not liking CASINO's not what it's about; as implied commentary on the other two members of the "axis" (MEAN STREETS and GOODFELLAS) it's probably a more "penetrating" work than either * all blandness and button-down corporatized surface: the difference between organized criminality east and west--which is why, in context, joe pesci's vicious thug seems so incongruously out of place: why doesn't the guy just get with the program?

LEE--broadly speaking, here's all i'm claiming: that scorsese doesn't have a "voice" and never actually has had one, that his films come from nowhere and lead back to it as well, that there's no continuity in the work other than his desire to make movies * does that make any of them "bad"?: not my point at all * there's no denying "ambition and scope," which is why i haven't and don't--in fact i make an issue of both: it's ambition w/o any kind of connective thread, an arbitrary thematic spread in search of a reason for being * which is as true of THE AGE OF INNOCENCE--one of the best films of the last 20 years, in my opinion--as of KUNDUN (unsuccessful for the reasons i gave in the post), THE AVIATOR (as sleek and gleaming and hollow in it's own way as CASINO--and why not?: it's the point of the "other coast" again!), and most of the other "late" works * and let's put a little emphasis on the "running" part of the metaphor rather than just the emptiness, shall we?: that's the miracle of what scorsese does--though it's also why we're usually left holding our collective breath: don't fall down, marty, don't fall ...

and i still think "chameleon" fits, don't you?
Andrew Tracy
March 6th - 12:01 a.m.
Gawd, this bloody movie will haunt me forever...

Hope that Lee there ain't referring specifically to my painfully worked-over piece as "instant film criticism".

Agree with PG on AGE OF INNOCENCE - saw it for the first time last year and, flaws aside, consider it a near-masterpiece and even the fateful "path not taken" (though he could get back on it anytime, frankly). NO DIRECTION HOME also excellent. DEPARTED not. At all. End o' story.

Joseph: NOW I understand the horrible persistence of the De Palma cult - split-field diopters = cinema mastery! Egads!
Soori
March 6th - 4:23 p.m.
First Robin Wood claimed "Taxi Driver" had two auteurs (Scorsese and Schrader); then Rosenbaum raised it to four (DeNiro and Hermann). Now Scorsese isn't even an auteur at all.

Personally I tend to regard "Mean Streets" as a charming work of juvenilia that, seen today, feels like a compendium of stylistic tics and thematic preoccupations he'd rework in his later movies (sexual hang-ups, Little Italy, slow motion, guilt, the color red, Robert De Niro, etcetera).

That said, "The Departed" is his most impersonal work I can recall with the single exception of "The Last Waltz," a boring film of a boring concert (but then I haven't seen "The Color of Money"). Even with "Cape Fear" he put his own spin on the material. The only thing Scorsese-ish about "The Departed" is the scene in the porno theater--a 70s anachronism straight out of "Taxi Driver." Of course, for all I know that scene was in William Monahan's script.
Joseph Campanella
March 6th - 5:09 p.m.
Andrew: While your comment about the De Palma cult is actually really funny, I still love him and think "Blow Out" is a masterpiece.

As for Scorsese, I just don't understand all this fuss. The man is easily one of the greatest American directors of all time. You can debate him all you like, but at the end of the day, the man's a film genius. Not to say a lot of his success doesn't stem from the fact that for years he has worked with one of the greatest film editors alive, and also some of the greatest screenwriters. But the truth of it all is this: the man is a true original who's done more for cinema in general and as a whole than almost anybody else in the world. His style is instantly recognizable and his themes of redemption, temptation, power, guilt and ambition, whether you see them or not, run through almost all of his work. For the record though, I have yet to see "The King of Comedy", "Age of Innocence" or "Kundun."

As for "The Departed"...
What the hell are you guys all talking about? Do you actually like movies? It's probalby the best genre picture I've seen in ten years. What's up? Is a movie automatically labeled "bad" if it's not boring? Or independant? Or foreign? Speaking of foreign films, have you people ever seen films like "Rififi" "Elevator to the Gallows" "Le Circle Rouge." Or American films like "Heat" and "The French Connection." Are these movies easily dismissed because they are apart of a genre too? I don't get it. THE DEPARTED IS A GREAT MOVIE.

I think it's a shame that the film community cannot embrace all types of films.
pat g.
March 6th - 5:18 p.m.
whoa, HEAT ... now THERE's an auteur!
Lee Hill
March 6th - 8:27 p.m.
I had a curious response to The Departed. I enjoyed it while I was watching it and felt the two leads and supporting cast were excellent. I did feel that on a formal level the film became less interesting in the second half. Nicholson's expressiontic performance was fun, but nowhere near as provocative as his work in The Pledge. The Departed didn't linger in the memory for me in the way something like Kundun or Bringing Out The Dead did, but I suspect that something to do with the fact that at day's end, the ambitions of the film are very different. I don't think I am alone in wondering what Scorsese is going to bring to a project (his forthcoming Rolling Stones doc or the Endo adaptation, Silence...please God) because he sets the bar pretty high for himself with each film. Now I accept that for Pat g. and others, what Scorsese achieves is not satisfying. And that's okay, not everything in The Departed satisfies me, but Jesus, this guy has an oeuvre that is still pretty vital. If we can accept him doing The Colour of Money or Cape Fear in previous decades, we can live with The Departed. If every mainstream director _ Brett Ratner or Todd Phillips, J'Accuse - brought the same level of attention and discernment to their fare, the mainstream would be a much better place. Even when Scorsese is chanelling Allan Dwan instead of Vincente Minelli or Michael Powell, he is ten times more interesting than most of the crowd wandering around with light meters right now.

Great debate though. I feel proud to thrown more than the odd lame punch in this crowd. Cheers.
Noel Vera
March 7th - 12:24 a.m.
I thought The Departed was about an evolutionary struggle for survival between two warring tribes(something not as clear in the Hong Kong original) myself.

I can't reply re: Casino; as I said, I need to see it again.

Interesting that Elevator to the Gallows was mentioned. Malle is sometimes criticized for not having a distinct voice, for attacking differing subject matters with differing visual styles, for not following trends and themes and such, marching to some grand scheme inside his head. Does this make him less of an auteur?

My favorite Mann may be Last of the Mohicans--seems uncharactersitic, the sheer romance in it, and it's a nice offset to his chilly style. Heat I liked; Miami Vice I liked; Collateral not so much.
Noel Vera
March 7th - 12:27 a.m.
The Aviator I read to be--intentional or not, I wouldn't know (probably not)--a comment on Bush fresh off his '04 victory.
Soori
March 8th - 8:10 a.m.
If it were a commentary on Bush, why did he go to such pains to suppress Hughes' reactionary politics?
Franz
March 8th - 5:13 p.m.
KUNDUN is my favourite film. It got me at an age when I was only starting to become aware of what cinema can be, and remains a film I can sit down to admire any time. I haven't quite liked any of his films since then as much as this one - I remember going to the cinema four times.
pat g.
March 8th - 5:30 p.m.
FRANZ--sounds like my reaction to william cameron menzies's THINGS TO COME: saw it on tv as a wee lad (obviously not old enough to have seen it in first run ... at least i THINK it's obvious), from which all subsequent obsessions flow
Noel Vera
March 10th - 4:15 a.m.
Strictly speaking, the brouhaha with Jarrico and HUAC happens after the film's end, in the 1950s.

But it's easy enough to include some hint of his anti-Cummunist and anti-Semite sentiments. Why didn't Scorsese include em? I don't know; presumably he wanted to retain the golden glow.

But it's not a complete whitewash--the cavalier way Hughes finagles company finances for his improbable projects, the scale and ambition of those projects (which are as often in trouble as they are successful), the callous way he seems to shrug off the death in the making of Hell's Angels, the paranoia and distrust and relentless demand for unquestioning loyalty from his employees and lovers all comes out loud and clear enough.

Plus the high of the film's end is complicated by that look in the mirror. It seems as much a warning (a prophetic one, too) as it does the traditonal uplifting climax to a traditional epic film.



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