Abortion makes me uneasy. Don't like thinking about it, talking about it, listening to other people debate about it . . . I mean, even the embryos in chicken eggs make me squeamish: oops, cracked that one, there goes another potential avian life.
Not being an active party in the creation/extinction of anything recognizably humanoid, I can more or less indulge this visceral discomfort on an immediate, pragmatic level without being held seriously accountable. Judd Apatow's slacker romantic comedy Knocked Up would like to get away with that too—aaiiieee, the A word, let's not talk about it, OK?—but the behavioral understanding that underlies the film, about what people of a certain age/class/education/earning capacity do when confronted with purportedly "real-life" choices (though in fact they're all stereotypes—which actually reduces the amount of wiggle room available), doesn't make that option feasible. Since here's this putatively bright, upwardly mobile young media pro who's suddenly faced with the prospect of unplanned maternity (not to mention a coparenting doofus who doesn't remotely fit the social-status mold of self-actualizing mate), and we're expected to believe she never directly considers the possiblity of . . . well, you know. (Of course there's the brittle, neurotic sister—an avatar of self-entitlement, and we all know what that means in terms of whatever advice she has to give—who at least sends out exasperated signals; but it's all implicit, in quizzically raised eyebrows and grimaces of concern.)
And what about the audience? Are we feeling that 500-pound gorilla breathing down our necks? Waiting for some unspoken dramatic shoe to drop? Whew, what a relief it never does!—so now we can all stop holding our collective breath. But out in the hedonistic subdivision wilds, where notions of realizing your "me me me" potential, satisfying your innermost needs/urges/desires, etc, have been pounded in since birth, the likelihood of something like this happening seems vanishingly small. It's not a credible outcome, for these cardboard characters anyway. But the issue never literally comes up at all.
Now if it were Carl Dreyer's "spiritualized," anhedonic Gertrud as aspiring mom . . . though Keri Russell in Waitress seems counterpoint enough. Not pro-life or pro anything necessarily, just tuned into something that goes beyond middle-class caveats and constraints. "Rationality" be damned, some decisions just run against the grain.




Is Peter's comment correct? I haven't watched Waitress or Knocked Up. I'm assuming Knocked Up is a bit on the vulgar tip like 40 Year Old Virgin, and they couldn't think of a bunch of pro choice/life jokes?
However, maybe it's worth considering whether Apatow deliberately had his characters substitute the word, "abortion," to show what a taboo it is in America. For what it's worth, remember that Alison's mother never showed up for the entire rest of the film after their "take care of it" discussion: not to shop for baby clothing and accessories, not to help her daughter with the pregnancy, not even to support her daughter in labor and witness her granddaughter's birth!
Yet whether or not Apatow intends to make a "statement," his message remains pretty pat. Since he obviously wants to make a film all about "now," full of bro humor and cultural references, why can't he delve a little more into the issue of abortion and how different classes deal with it today? Though Alison isn't rich (and probably just graduated from college), she's earning more with a new job. Ben barely has a pot to piss in. Might that be enough of a launching pad to delve into some tensions of contemporary American society?
Second, the attraction doesn't seem so improbable as everyone has made it out to be. The dude is funny, and that's very attractive. Also overlooked: in the morning after scene, not only does she think what he does is lame--he thinks what she does is lame too. Which it is. But he thinks she's hot, and he's young, so he doesn't care.
If the narrative has a weak link, it's that it doesn't show us when she decides she doesn't care either. But maybe it's because she just got promoted and she doesn't need to consider him as a "provider." Maybe she's thinking, "well, he's funny, and at least one of us could stay home with this baby."
Finally, I'm with Matt above--plenty of women who don't care if other people want to get abortions don't feel comfortable with it as a personal choice. Plus, sheesh, it's a premise for a comedy, not an after-school special.
Jokes, at least. And seeing the choice get made.
You have not posted anything to comeback at these statements.
Probably because you realize you are a twat.
Waitress, which also barely mentions abortion,
Love With the Proper Stranger, a Natalie Wood/Steve McQueen flick from the early 1960s that deals with the question of abortion, but is very similar to Knocked Up in other ways ...
... and, of course, The Good Shepherd. Ovid, I especially urge you to see this last one.
# ONE: A MOVIE IS NOT BAD BECAUSE THE MAIN CHARACTER DOES NOT CONSIDER ABORTION.
# TWO: MY SISTER GOT PREGNANT, MY FAMILY URGED FOR THE ABORTION, BUT IT WASN'T AN OPTION FOR MY SISTER, WHO WANTED TO KEEP THE BABY (i guess she's not a good movie then)
# THREE: ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT THE ISSUE OF ABORTION SHOULD BE AT THE CENTER OF A MOVIE CALLED "KNOCKED UP" WITH SETH ROGEN, DIRECTED BY JUDD APATOW IS A COMPLETE RETARD. THE MOVIE IS A RAUNCHY COMEDY. ABORTION IS NOT FUNNY AND THEREFORE, SHOULD NOT TAKE OVER THE MAIN THEME OF THE MOVIE, WHICH IS RESPONSIBILITY FOR ONE'S SELF AND ONE'S OWN ACTIONS.
# FOUR: ABORTION IS THE ULTIMITE MULLIGAN. THEREFORE, IT IS ASSOCIATED WITH GOLF, THEREFORE IT IS BORING AND OVERRATED, THEREFORE MAKING IT NOT A GOOD COMEDY.
# FIVE: THIS MOVIE IS NOT "VERA DRAKE"
# SIX: "KNOCKED UP" IS FUNNY
# SEVEN: I HATE CONSERVATIVES.
# EIGHT: I HATE LIBERALS EVER MORE THAN CONSERVATIVES.
# NINE: YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF IDIOTS (at least those of you who don't agree with me).
# TEN: THE ONLY REASON AMERICA IS SWINGING TO THE RIGHT IS BECAUSE YOU UBER-LIBERAL CUNTS ARE MAKING THE LEFT LOOK SO BAD.
# ELEVEN: FUCK YOU ALL.
# TWELVE: PAT G. SUCKS
# THIRTEEN: I'M RIGHT
jeez, even abortion's funnier than that ...
your comeback
...abortion not funny.
...unless the movie is Citizen Ruth...
...kind of...
is this debate necesary?
Store bought chicken eggs are NOT fertilized, and so, contain no embryos. You might want to find a new produce market if this is not your experience.
You know what, I don't care how obvious this point is, I *do* think it's related. This movie has a much better grasp on the subtleties of mens' existence than womens'. If they didn't, they wouldn't have given KH that tacked-on fake-ass career that seemed completely unrelated to her personality. And that made you think KH must be 15 years older than SR. Her supposed age is another reason I think Pat's comment is valid. If she really was supposed to be as young as she is (I guess), it would have been brought up more in the context of having a child. Specifically. And if she really were more the age she "seemed"...that would support the idea of having a kid/not having an abortion. And honestly...I think KH's casting was wrong too. Threw everything off. Her presence steamrolled some unconvincing bits of the story.
The funny thing? I quite enjoyed this film. I like that it tried. I thought it failed in subtle ways that made me uncomfortable, but the cavorting during the opening credit sequence was worth the entrance fee.