Sound like anything you've seen lately?:
"An ice-pack of a movie, a masterpiece in every insignificant detail ... [that] suppresses most of the active elements that make movies pleasurable. The film says that people are disgusting but things are lovely. ... It's a coffee-table movie ... like a three-hour slide show for art history majors."
A lot of the complaints about There Will Be Blood (and there've been more than a few) strike these kinds of disenchanted notes: "a thudding bore," "tempered and wrought, to the point of dullness ... its very scale almost obscures its blankness," or in general simply wondering "what's the point of it all?"—though in fact the passage I've quoted is from Pauline Kael's notorious pan of Stanley Kubrick's Barry Lyndon, one of the "100 best films of all time" if you believe what the critics tell you. Is it too great a stretch to argue that what's problematic in both films comes to almost the same thing? Since both adapt generally forgotten period novels that demand a sympathetic jump: the issues of the characters aren't exactly ours, and even when they are we talk about them differently, in terms already conditioned by the history of the discourse. Which is partly why Upton Sinclair's moralizing harangue, against vampire capital and religious quackery, comes across as obvious and dated: who's exercised about this anymore, or in quite this way? It's ground we've all been over a thousand times before. But of course the characters haven't, and for them the issues have an urgency we can't begin to match. Here's what it's like when the idea gusher's raging, when concepts old and hoary seem fresh and alive, still eminently arguable. They have to care because we no longer can.
And maybe we're not supposed to. Aristocracy's a problem in Barry Lyndon's world, less so in our own—even if our democratically "classless" class divisions tend to create similar kinds of hierarchy, more economic than hereditary, more under the surface than on it. So both of these films walk a conceptual tightrope, half in the mentalite, half out, which arguably accounts for their seeming distant and cold, dramatically estranged. But what if instead we see Blood as ... well, an experiment—doesn't that sound like the P.T. Anderson we know? Not so much an invitation to engage as a kind of excavation, to uncover obsolete layers of thinking and responding. It's a double game being played—that implicates our own received opinions—or even several games at once. But maybe I'm making too much of a minor point ...
Also, in a free associating mood, there's that (obvious?) connection to Erich von Stroheim's Greed, which goes considerably beyond the shared avaricious theme. Not since 1987's Shy People, Andrei Konchalovsky's Daily Bread/Tol'able David excursion into the Louisiana swamps, has there been anything so Stroheim-like, in the packed-in naturalism, the classically distanced shooting, the ways scenes develop through gradually emerging detail. But already enough critics have picked up on this, and there's not a lot left to add. Time to stop being redundant ...




"ZS--but: you don't LOSE capabilities you've demonstrated an understanding for, and if they're subsequently absent from your films (assuming you've "creative control," whatever that implies) ... what?"
Well, no. People DO lose capabilities they've demonstrated an understanding for. Perhaps it isn't something you'd deem an ok analogy but look at any number of comediens who lose their ability to be funny. Chevy Chase, what the hell? Man used to be brilliant and now? a hack tride and true. You don't think Bernardo Bertolluci has lost some of his capabilities? I'd argue he lost them much earlier than others might (putting this moment in the early-mid 70's while others might grant him more time but...)the point is his movies have been utterly horrible for a long time, The Dreamers being the greatest example, quite simply in this blokes opinion one of the worst movies I've ever seen, given its only interest entirely by the titilation of a beautiful Eva Green, but the point is tell me Bertolluci didn't lose capabilities he once had...I'll be glad to come up with some other examples if its desired, in literature, painting or wherever, but to say because once had some capabilities they maintain them forever seems to be a foolish view of the human mind.
On Pat's point, I would argue that most artists become increasingly more skilled even as they run out of ideas they're passionate about. So the end of a career tends to become a search for other material that the artist can connect with, generally to lesser effect. Bertolucci seems like a pretty good example of that, though of course some of his earlier things were adapted from other sources as well.
As per artists becoming more skilled with time, well, yes there is often a learning and honing of technical craft, though not as often as you may claim, there are those who seem to lose their way, re. Pat's claim it doesn't appear to me as obvious that once you've shown a skill you never lose it, importantly skills and ideas and thought do change over time and they are in a relationship with each other, so while one may finetune a technique if ideas become muddied or foolish it doesn't matter much. The claiming of the permanance of skills, capabilities or insights seems a bizarre one to me.
Anderson's problem is that he has not even a basic understanding of the human condition or human drama. In order to bypass this he simply exaggerates. Notice how in Magnolia nothing actually HAPPENS to the characters really.The dramatic effect is achieved through overcooking the results of dramatic tension rather than examining dramatic tension (look at the plot similarities between Magnolia and Short Cuts and tell me who's understanding of humanity is more sophisticated).
There will be Blood is no exception. The characters are completely static. Daniel Day Lewis is doing a rehash of Bill The Butcher with Walter Houston's accent and we're supposed to drool. After you strip away all the artifice of the films style, whats driving Plainview is simple, boring misanthropy. The movie is vague enough where you can "hang all your old metaphors on it" as Pauline Kael once said about Days of Heaven (I don't agree with that assessment but that description is useful here). There are plenty of "pretty" images in the film but I couldn't count a single beautiful one, simply because true cinematic beauty comes with understanding of character and drama which he continues to lack.
as for "beauty," "the human condition," and the rest of that infinitely elastic/ambiguous et cetera (meaning whatever you want 'em to mean, yes?): who's all of a sudden the official referee? ... like, c'mon, gimme a break!
His characters don't bend at all and they are dull, dull, dull. They are dull because Anderson makes no attempt to fully understand them at all. They are kept at arms length the whole time and instead of being explored he lets the movie operate in a way that the audience is supposed to identify the would be archetypes that the characters represent and he assumes that in and of itself is the films "meaning". The film is so vague that any general interpretation of the American spirit seen through the lens of capitalism or religion will do, and this is the basis for quality that all the reviews Ive read have relied upon.
If you want to walk into the theatre, identify these archetypes immediately, proclaim the movie great for being a fantastic exploration of the American Temper or some borrowed quip worthy of a hack like David Denby, then give yourself a big pat on the back for being so goddamn smart then the movie makes it, really, really, really easy for you. Its easy because his images contain no content. You really can just hang all of your old metaphors on it.
Experimental? If I want something experimental Ill go to the Anger's, Mekas's and the Brakhage's not the Anderson's (P.T or Wes). This guy is already being "compared" to Welles and Griffith (Just like he was "compared" to Altman and Scorsese, how is it that you can steal entire scenes, shots and story lines from films of recent memory verbatim,and then be "compared" to the people you're stealing from?), he doesn't need to be mentioned in the same breath as "experimental", especially when there are Kiarostami's and Hou's and even Van Sant's in the narrative film world.
To clarify, Mr. Graham; If a Filmmaker steals outright from some of the greatest dramatists of your respective medium and fails to incorporate, expand upon, critique or "experiment"(as if), the very thing that makes those borrowed dramatic elements resonant in the first place (I.E HUMAN UNDERSTANDING), then that filmmaker is a hack and I have the right to point it out.
It's hard enough being a college student and having to hear about this movie non-stop from everyone imaginable, and then have to come here, my personal filmic sanctuary and then have to read some sideways defense of a film that I think about 5 people officially dislike in the first place.
So now that I am attacking your position officially, please elaborate. How on earth is this film "experimental"?..."Like, c'mon, gimmie a break!"
"experimental?"--go back to what i said in the original post, about excavation rather than engagement (incidentally, off the top of my head, the best example of this i know of isn't BARRY LYNDON but rivette's JOAN THE MAID, where characters argue the ins and outs of catholic dogma as if it were the latest thing in intellectual fashion; utterly fascinating, also completely alienating--it's THAT kind of mentalite experiment i'm thinking of * and even if anderson's a minor leaguer at it vis-a-vis rivette, who else is doing it at all?) * "bland"?--i don't know what you mean ... what i see are scenes evolving incrementally with every camera shift, as a matter of continuing exposure * nothing's taken for granted, which is why the shots work as they do * "beautiful"?--again i wouldn't know, and i'm not sure it makes any difference: e.g., scene of erupting gusher, vertical slash down the center of the screen, so narrow it's almost pure geometry (i expect that took some doing); yes, an archetype of sorts, without saying what sort exactly--since definition kills and what we have left then is a specimen under glass--framed by the surrounding miasma; then suddenly--poof!--extinction, and EVERYTHING turns black, like d. day-lewis's reinforcing prince of darkness outfit * you want literal meaning, i give you theater ... but "bland" or "boring"? * sorry, no way ...
also plz note that i've never called the film a "masterpiece" or anything remotely evaluative, only that i find proofs of invested consciousness throughout, which in itself is extremely rare--the rest, i'm sorry, is your projection ...
if necessary i'll get back to these things next week, but unfortunately tonight there's no more time ...
"Rivette's JOAN THE MAID, where characters argue the ins and outs of catholic dogma as if it were the latest thing in intellectual fashion" I'll give you the film expert points for that example (and I mean that sincerely), but at the same time I'd challenge you to name a single scene in There Will Be Blood where something directly comparable to that actually happens. I appreciate the thought, but I think you're reaching here.
I also appreciate your given description of that particular scene, but at the same time Anderson's use of the cinematic language here did absolutely nothing for me not because it wasn't edited or shot effectively, but because I wasn't convinced, for a single moment that any of those scenes amounted to thoughtful content. And this is what I'm pointing at. Anderson's cinematographic consciousness may have been working but I don't think it amounts to being anything substantial because I find his topic and characters to be dull and I'm not convinced that his film had anything in particular to say in any capacity (that is not on a personal, political or social level).
We're going to have to agree to disagree on the "bland" and "boring" comments, as this is the most subjective point of our arguments. But I think the main set piece of the film (the oil derrick bursting leading the the injury of the son) fell flat mainly because it followed the exact same format of the locust swarm in days of heaven (cut to black silhouettes over red firey back grounds). It felt phony, and anemic.
I never implied that you did personally call this film a masterpiece, but It should be noted that this film is ridiculously overpraised (and if you didn't call the film a masterpiece you should give me this point, as that is what most reviews are saying), and that I simply found it peculiar that defenses in its favor are still pouring in. That being said, your arguments are the most interesting I've read. I respect your appreciation of it in a certain sense, but I'm simply not convinced that this film warrants this kind of wide spread appraisal.
I'm Not There, Inland Empire, I Heart Huckabees, Gerry, Elephant, Aqua Teen Hunger Force the movie and even films like death proof and zodiac to name a few we're all recent commercial films that included an intense amount of experimentation, much more to my eyes than anything in There Will Be Blood (whether good or bad), and while these films may not be in the strict Rivette sense of the word, I think it is slightly dutiful to say "who's doing that", as if Anderson is embarking on some fearless cinematic quest for different cinematic ideas. I don't think the field for unique experimentation in American films is as narrow as you seem to be implying.
Also, did J.R Jones really say Little Buddha and Stealing Beauty are better than 99% of things out there? Wow. That's even worse than four stars for Atonment.
I've already had my say on ATONEMENT, and my enthusiasm for it is undiminished, so I'll let your cheap shot pass.
Of course, we’re never going to settle an argument involving numeration of subjective choices. But I think my point is quite sound: the reservoir of cinematic garbage is so vast that even Bertolucci’s worst movie would rank near the top.
On a side note, I would much rather watch Stealing Beauty or any of the so-called "worst" Bertollucci films than watch "Atonement" or "Juno" or any of the other manufactured "indie" films of today that get plastered on 1500 hundred screens.
Thanks for your indulgence.
it's also a good time to revisit andrew sarris's closing quote in my january 18 post:
"First you see something, and you like it, and then it's a mystery, and you go into the mystery—-and that's what's interesting. And the test of criticism is: can you make a case for it"
which pretty well sums up my own approach to anderson, the ENIGMA of his films generally--since yes, i'm still puzzled by BLOOD, it doesn't yield transparency at all * but who needs "great, "masterpiece," etc, if you're able to get down to this? * and isn't it a test of criticism to drop the superlatives and simply DESCRIBE what you see, as closely and investedly as you can, that fabric of (sometimes free) associations--imagine, all these things a single movie's good for! ... * as DALE WITTIG's comment suggests, "great," etc, all that preemptive privileging, ultimately takes care of itself * meanwhile, lots of burrowing work to do!
I find the character of Bob Ford far more interesting than Planview. Planview is really just the cliche of the self-made capitalist American male who makes history by forcing his will into things. Bob Ford, on the other hand, can't really find a way to exert his own will. Even through killing Jesse James he doesn't achieve any individuality.
In that regard, Jesse James reminded much more of Barry Lyndon than There Will Be Blood: its characters can never escape from history, myth, and as their status as images in a film frame. I think There Will Be Blood tries to hard to make allegory out of its limited understanding of American history and frontier capitalism. To disagree with a point raised earlier, this film really is just transparent.
which is why i dragged in BARRY LYNDON and rivette, as examples of distancing strategies in action--a point i've already admitted to stretching a bit * and still the point needs making, since if not, why bother with this half-forgotten, out-of-date material at all?
I think the question that is nagging you is correct. Why bother with the material that is frankly out of date? There is nothing in the film that leads me to believe that it isn't a generic political critique dressed up with some film-school tricks, none of which are that distancing anyway, at least any that are comparable to what Barry Lyndon does where literally the camera zooms out to distance us from Barry.
And the point about will isn't about a one-to one- reading exactly. It's about how the films use their characters as history. Plainview seems an utterly conventional character, both in his psychology and in Lewis performance, in which case it is There Will Be Blood that is offering a one to one relationship between history and character will much more than either The Assassination of Jesse James or Barry Lyndon.
also the shooting style, the way scenes incrementally evolve, which already i've alluded to in the post--e.g., buckboard traveling in long shot, then ever so gradually a townscape creeping in from the right, building by clapboard building * the conventional way of doing this usually involves several edits: medium shot of wagon, close-up of driver, approach to town from driver's-seat perspective, etc * partly it's straight stroheim classicism anderson's giving--e.g., the distance of the figures vis-a-vis their determinist/naturalistic context--partly an allusion to frontier photos of the 1890s, from colorado mining camps, etc * but all of it eschews the way commercial films are typically shot today * so: are we channeling again or not?
as for day-lewis: a big, barnstorming presence that's more about virtuosity and color, an extravagant connotative pastiche, than anything so literal as you're describing--all of which is perfectly fine by me ...
Given that are not so humble director is on the record as saying that he "is a bad reader" and "can't remember the things I read" I find it highly unlikely that he would be taking matters of physiognomy in relation to history into account. A close examination of "Oil" I think more than illustrates that Anderson merely used the book for practical oil lingo and setting purposes only and that he used the backdrop to interject his lame daddy issues riddled story line into it.
Also could the same thing be said of Paul Dano's appearance in Little Miss Sunshine? or his layout in GQ this past month? Why don't we just jerk off everyone who uses Paul Dano's face in mainstream outlets since its so "unconventional".
Also I would add, at least in terms of how he films close ups, they're done in the same way he's done them in all of his films (which is rather hideous to look at to my eyes). He merely aims the camera down slightly cutting off the subjects forehead leaving the chin in the middle of the frame, with more empty space surrounding it than anyone would care to look at. I find nothing particular about that.
In more also- "a face like dano's--especially in profile--would've set cultural alarm bells ringing: not an "evolved"/intelligent anglo type, more subhuman actually, like the immigrant irish, etc *
Lets say thats true. Does Anderson make any real attempt to explore how these cultural alarm bells are set off? is there any galvanization between Dano and the citizens of the town? I'd say not.
because no one else is using the face (actually, STUDYING it's more the case here) in remotely similar ways
"Does Anderson make any real attempt to explore how these cultural alarm bells are set off?"
obviously no, since it's intended (assuming, of course, there's anything to intend!) to work connotatively, as a subliminal resonance, not something you'd ever address directly--how, e.g., david lynch uses laura dern ... though plz note: i'm NOT now saying that anderson's impersonating lynch!
Which ultimately is my big point. If you are still maintaining that the film is no masterpiece, than is it worth the energy writing about it as if it was? (which, like it or not, you are doing).
incidentally: kubrick tried the same kind of trick at least twice, in BARRY LYNDON and EYES WIDE SHUT (jury's still out on THE SHINING), with swirling theatrical bravura surrounding a gaping black hole at the center, the main formal/aesthetic dynamic in both * saved by ineptitude, especially in cruise's case--i'd argue something similar's at work in BLOOD
Good night, all, I think I'll go masturbate. No, really, masturbate, with consummation and closure and all that. I might even have some helop. That's more than any of you will find here.
But really: I'm given a choice of watching Road Trip again, or The Dreamers. RT makes me smile; TD makes me think Berto really wishes Michael Pitt's dick were hard in those shots, but he's too much of a closeted homo[phobe] to admit it. Berto's been getting fucked up the ass and refusing to come since at least Last Tango (I stole that) and sorry, I'd rather come. Guess I've made my choices.
And Pat, as much as I love your contrarian, endlessly inventive criticism, your prose sucks, and not in a good way. Go study Orwell, fer fuck's sake.
On second thought, I don't need BSG, I need Female Trouble.
Don't we all?