I remember walking out of Patton (1970) with a hippie friend who loved it. He claimed that it showed how vicious the military was, by portraying a hero as an egotistical nutcase. That wasn't the reading offered by a veteran I once talked to, who considered the film a tribute to a great warrior. —David Bordwell, from an August 16 Web site posting
So here we are in the middle of a war about movie superheroes (see comments threads here and here). The word itself begs for judicious scare quotes—why "super"? why "heroic"?—but what predictably gets the blood boiling, at least among the die-hard fans, is anyone calling these wayward exotics "childish." How can you write off a whole genre, the argument goes, when it's never a one-dimensional, monolithic thing?
And basically I agree. "Childish" is largely irrelevant, an easy, moralizing put-down where something less analytically loaded—that doesn't skew the semantics from the get-go—gets you to a more interesting place. (Interesting too that "childlike" skews in the opposite direction—depends on what brand of kid you are, I guess: innocuous before impish, etc.) Which doesn't mean the land of the overmuscled and preternaturally endowed is a place you'd necessarily want to visit, only that it's a little more complicated—and worrisome—than supercilious dismissals ever let on.
In the post quoted above, David Bordwell gets into the industry dynamics of the superhero genre, but not so much the social assumptions that make that genre go. Which, considering the BANG! POW! megadoses we've been getting the last couple of years, seem positively toxic. What's arguably OK within "reasonable" limits, even homeopathic in a more benign state, as an expression of the creative urge, the infinite variety of thinking and feeling that's always searching for an outlet, seems lately to have run off the rails. But what are we tuning in on really? Is it "imagination unleashed," exploring creative options that a dull, dreary realism can't handle (since if, e.g., Frozen River's the responsible "adult" alternative to the knockabout energies of the Hellboys, The Rocketeer, Mulcahy's The Shadow, and other supposedly "infantile" delights—not to mention anything with Super Milla in it: go Resident Evil, go!—then somebody please save us from this castor-oil curse)? Or is it national paranoia, an unwillingness to negotiate, the sense of imperial privilege our abundant supply of supers always seems to share. Just plop for the unilateralist solution, where you can force an outcome and not have to worry about diplomacy and all that other whimpering, whining shit. Or maybe it's more exotic: What do superheroes and World Wrestling Entertainment smackdowns have in common? Why aren't faeries with magic wands (note effete spelling) as popular as Batman? Are superheroes responsible for the war in Iraq? Are they more responsible for keeping us there? And isn't it ironic that the "world's most powerful military machine" comes from an emotionally frazzled country where disempowerment fantasies regularly take hold? The teeming minions in The Dark Knight seem all too typical: faceless, almost sheeplike, stampeding in whatever direction their panicky impulses drive them. Day/night, good/evil, hyperthyroidism/helplessness, a world of Manichaean extremity with nothing in between, that only projected megalomania can ever set right. What's "childish" about any of this? Looks more like terminal pathology to me.
Do movie audiences in, e.g., Portugal or Switzerland or Luxembourg need the same macho reassurances our own fragile psyches seem to? And if not why do we? Or maybe it's just one thing feeding off another, hyperthyroidism to helplessness and back again, like partners locked in an escalating dance, one of Gregory Bateson's notorious schismogenetic tangos. Talk about peaceful coexistence—except in the long run there's nothing peaceful about it.




To suggest that superheroes and their films are born of some notion that only force works and dimplocy need not be tried is faulty reasoning. What do you make of Spider-Man 2, wherein the villain wasn't thwarted by acts of force, but was verbally persuaded by our hero to see the error of his ways? What say you about X-Men, wherein our heroes get into weighty discussions about being "different" and the head of the protagonists is almost constantly trying to reason with the main antagonist into settling his matters through means other than force?
No, the popularity of these films doesn't come from some misguided modern notion that force is the only answer. Hell, most of these characters weren't even created today. Batman and Superman came from the 30's, in which mob crime was a reality, and there really was a universal and uncompromising evil threatening the world. While character's like Spider-Man, the Hulk, Iron Man, and the X-Men came from the 60's... and served as forums of social commentary on things like the civil rights movement, and the Military-Industrial Complex.
But moreover, I think the reason why the notion of superheroes appeals to America (and the rest of the world, for that matter) is because we currently live in a world that is so full with shades of gray, that it's of some small comfort to imagine a simpler world where there is a definite and understandable division between what's good and what's evil.
September 11th.
Suddenly movies where people died in large scale weren't escapist entertainment anymore. But a movie with a clear hero/villian dichotomy and a protagonist like Spider-Man or Batman with a good sense of inner-conflict (heck, even the latest Superman played up his loneliness)
But to suggest that Superhero movies are responsible for Iraq would be misguided. Movies aren't forces for shaping society (to think so gives them too much credit). They're historical record. Movies are a reaction to, and reflection of the current social zeitgeist. If one can properly "read" movies, one can understand the era in which they were born. What explains the 60's better than The Graduate, Bonnie & Clyde and Cool Hand Luke? And in the same way, The Dark Knight and Wall-E explain contemporary times (not to discount the small indpenendent, usually superior films that also have much to say, but to bring up Frozen River, as if indie films have ever been part of the Summer Blockbuster conversation serves no point).
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First of all, Robert hit a nail on the head with pointing out none of these heroes were created recently. True the people making the movies may have had other ideas and motives, or just not understood what the movies were about. And saying a movie influenced the powers that be in America into a war is just silly.
Except for maybe Wolverine (because he is so damaaged) most of these heroes want to resolve things first. But sometimes you come up against villains who don't talk. They just kill.
Do you really think the fellas who got on those planes on 9/11 could have been talked out of it?
Not to mention most of these movies are intended for "escapisim." Not that deeper meanings cant be gleaned from them. And ALL Hollywood movies despite their "message" are made to make money. When producers, directors, actors make a movie and don't get paid for it, then I will believe it was only for the message.
Superheroes are a larger than life adventrure. To believe that there are people out there strong enough to lift a building, or fly or whathave you, and they fight for good. To protect the helpless...and then we realize, we can do that. We might not be super, but we can help those around us.
So "superheroes" in the end, inspire us to better things.
A while back, PBS covered something called Mirror Neurons, a name attached to the mechanism where when you see someone else doing something, you experience it too. Empathy seems to be based on these Mirror Neurons, and the more empathy you have the easier it is to attach yourself to one of the characters on the screen to 'be'. The less empathy you have, the more likely you are to NOT attach yourself to any characters and just watch them. So when watching some guy get hit in the crotch, the guys in the audience who don't at least go Ouch would be the ones with the least empathy.
So getting back to Superhero movies specifically, who wouldn't want to be super and save the day? Those without empathy, maybe, but even those might get a good watch out of it. I guess someone CAN say none of the characters in a specific movie are worth 'being', but to find NOTHING worthwhile takes a really prejudiced mind or a horribly HORRIBLY bad concept for a movie.
This empathy thing applies to more than just movies, since the recent Mirror Neuron naming doesn't mean plenty of people didn't know what it was already. TV commercials show you people eating hamburgers and smiling: suddenly you want a hamburger. It applies across the board to most things in life. Well, except when it comes to pornography, where people are expected to deny any empathy, and declare that watching THAT is sick and perverted and whatever else their religious leader wants them to say. Odd how slasher films come off as OK compared to that, but that's the way things work...
Follow Orwell's six elementary rules and never again should you write sentences that read 'What's arguably OK within "reasonable" limits, even homeopathic in a more benign state, as an expression of the creative urge, the infinite variety of thinking and feeling that's always searching for an outlet, seems lately to have run off the rails'.
1. Never use a metaphor, simile or other figure of speech which you are used to seeing in print.
2. Never use a long word where a short one will do.
3. If it is possible to cut out a word, always cut it out.
4. Never use the passive where you can use the active.
5. Never use a foreign phrase, a scientific word or a jargon word if you can think of an everyday English equivalent.
6. Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous.
Why can't you accept that people watch superhero movies because they're fun entertainment (mostly), and that they don't have to learn a deep life lesson every time they go to the cinema?
And I think there might be a significant misunderstanding of Pat's point: it isn't that superheroes reinforce the notion that might makes right, it's that they prop up American militarism and hegemony around the world.
Jesus ... what a bunch of exercises in missing the point.
(By the way, I'm no relation to brad olson, who apparently doesn't know enough about writing to capitalize his own name).
Iron Man for instance. He goes to the middle east to stop the attacks on the villagers. Not as an American. But as a human, who is trying to make amends for a mistake HE made.
I didn't cheer at the point he handed those baddies their asses because he was waving Old Glory, it was because someone stopped bad from happening.
Dark Knight - He goes to China to "extradite" that business man. Again, not as a member of US Commision on Forigen Policy, but as a sigular man.
And step back for a moment. They are "Superhero" movies. They are, no matter how realistic, "fantasy."
It's like arguing that 300 was intentionally released exactly at the point in time it was to bolster US hatred or fear towards Iran, which is preposterous.
Superhero movies are just bankable right now. And the more "realistic" the better. Generes go through phases. Untill Harry Potter and Fellowship of the Ring hit in '01, no one was really going near the true "fantasy" genere. Then there were loads of fantasy movies out.
Westerns were huge at one point, and then not. They keep fluxing. But Drama, Action, and Comedy will remain steady as they are less focused on a smaller crowd than fantasy or superhero movies are.