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On November 9 the City Council's housing committee approved a plan to seize all of the property on the east side of the 4800 block of North Western, tear it down, and turn it over to a developer to build condominiums and a few retail stores.
If the plan is approved by the full council on December 12, more than 30 merchants -- including successful sporting goods store Chicago Soccer, a Walgreens, a dentist's office, and a furniture business -- will be tossed out of business. As TIF-funded eminent domain deals go, it's a whopper, even by Chicago standards.
At the first public hearing on the matter -- a Community Development Commission meeting in August -- more than 80 people showed up to protest. But only 12 showed up for housing committee meeting, and of those only four spoke out against the plan.
Housing committee member Ray Suarez (31st) swooped right in on this. "If, as you say, so many people oppose this, where are they?" he asked.
Imre Hidvegi, who co-owns Chicago Soccer, has to roll his eyes at that. "They called the meeting 24 hours before they held it, and then they held it on a Friday morning when most people have to get out to work," he says. "It's not surprising that so few people showed up."
Hidvegi's hoping to rally enough opposition to convince the council to kill the proposal -- a long shot since it has the backing of the local alderman, Eugene Schulter (47th). But at the very least Hidvegi wants to show the City Council that business owners and residents alike are sick of being pushed around to make way for developers. As he says in an e-mail call to arms, "We are not blighted, and we are not for sale."
Hidvegi has set up a Web site, savelincolnsquare.com, and on Wednesday, December 5, will host an organizing meeting at 7 PM at Chicago Soccer, 4839 N. Western, 773-271-2255. It's open to all, and refreshments will be served.
PROPERTY RIGHTS
it is not to give to a developer
we are living in a socialistic dictatorship
How typical!
Eminent domain moves forward
November 14, 2007
By LORRAINE SWANSON Staff Writer
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/newsstar/news/647946,S...
this arrogant attitude just says it all:
>Ald. Ray Suarez (31st), chair of the committee, disputed this statement. "If, as you say, so many people oppose this, where are they? You only have four." Hidvegi responded: "We only had 24 hours notice, and everyone has to work on Friday mornings. If you had this in the evening, our turnout would be much bigger." <
but the bigger issue is the turnout is irrelevant - this is a blatant case of abuse of eminent doman.
Ravenswood Special Service Areas to merge
November 7, 2007
By LORRAINE SWANSON Pioneer Press News Star Staff Writer
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/newsstar/news/637237,S...
The same goes for the Mayor trying to railroad Alderman Rielly with the Childerens Muesuem. Alderman Rielly listened to his constituents, and the other Alderman are going to have to live with his dissions.
Shuelter should be ashamed of such a sham community process, but it is not the job of Waguespack to look after the interest of small business owners of the 47th Ward. That doesn't mean he has lost his "independance".
This is the same logic that Todd Stroger used when he proposed increasing our taxes by over $700 million. The Trib published his contact information so that taxpayers could express their outrage, and thousands did. The problem is not that they don't know their is opposition to their arrogant and abusive behavior. The problem is that they don't care.
Yes it is. An alderman is not a little mayor. An alderman is a member of the Chicago City Council, not ward czar.
By extension of your argument, why have committees? why have a Council? We have 50 little dictators. The yes men are cowards hiding behind "aldermanic privilege" as their excuse for shirking their responsibility.
An alderman can't vote "aye' on an issue and then turn around and explain that their vote has nothing to do with the issue, it was respect for "aldermanic privilege." That's cowardice & shirking.
Problem: Assholes ruling our city and county governments.
Solution: HAVE NO DOUBT, VOTE INCUMBENTS OUT.
It's not rocket science.
Just Do It.
that sounds awfully close to "this thing of ours"
need more parallels? just because corruption is routine doesn't make it a legitimate government action.
Is the ALL CAPS poster anti-Democracy?
Why, yes, the ALL CAPS poster is anti-Democracy.
Witness the feeble attempts by said poster to cast aspersions on a commenter who regularly has provided much information concerning the abuses, misuses and blatantly dishonest manipulations of the wasting of our tax dollars.
Witness the fraudulent claims and deceitful suggestions, directed at a commenter who has provided many points to ponder, concerning the methods used, by those holding political and governmental powers, to subvert, pervert and manipulate the principles of Democracy into the huge cash cow they milk 'Daley'.
Witness the pathetic attempts to pander to those many citizens they hold in such contempt, that they assume are too stupid and gullible to perceive the many lies being touted as truths.
Thanks, ALL CAPS ASSHOLE, your sincere participation is of great service, in exposing the nature of your kind.
"....SMEARS AND INNUENDOS...." are your bread and butter.
Thanks for sharing.
Isn't it wonderful?
These corrupt, City Hall Democrat fuckers are getting so scared that they're now pulling the same shit the Republicans pull, namely, making baseless accusations against any critics of their actions as being unpatriotic.
My oh my, how much lower will they go, as the Primary Election approaches?
And the idiot who has the gall to call our city and county governments a successful example of Democracy, and to use a word he doesn't even know the root meaning of, 'sedition', would be funny, if it wasn't so ignorant.
Those who post comments here, critical of the activities routinely engaged in by the many assholes stinking up our city, county and state governments, are the true believers in Authentic American Democracy, not the clout monkey hacks who are feeding at the public trough and fear that the end of their corruptions is near.
The evidence, that Authentic American Democracy is not yet dead, is embodied in those critical voices, and is what gives me hope that Authentic American Democracy can be restored, even if only at first in this city and county.
HAVE NO DOUBT, VOTE INCUMBENTS OUT
As citizens of Chicago we have no choice but to hold ALL the aldermen responsible for ALL their votes. no matter how hard they try to weasel out of their responsibility. Waguespack, Suarez, or Schulter do not have the final say about legislation affecting the 32nd - the Chicago City Council does. That's their responsibility under state law, it has nothing to do with anything Waguespack, Suarez, or Schulter think.
If Waguespack REALLY believed in his heart of hearts that "this issue has nothing to do with me" the proper option might perhaps he recusing himself or not voting or voting present, but voting in favor ain't nothing but going along to get along.
I guess the aldermen are just like every other City dept - get on the payroll and then mutually conspire with your colleagues to not do their jobs.
I bet Waguespack won't post on his website how important the mythical "aldermanic privilege" is to him and announcing that he intends to honor it and vote in favor of everything that does not immediately effect the 32nd. To do so would be to admit he does not understand basic civics. You never hear aldermen use "aldermanic privilege" as an excuse, just apologists for aldermen.
Everyone can read what anyone else writes and find out for themselves what the truth is. Whether you can't stand Hugh is really irrelevant to the topic.
In fact, the neighborhood has gentrified.
UIC tried pulled strings with the city to do the same shit in Pilsen; they almost got away with it, but citizens filed multiple legal challenges and finally wore UIC and the city hall hacks down.
The typical pattern is to call a public hearing 24 hours in advance and depend on citizens who will be affected failing to show up.
Schulter is probably a crook.
It's not that they can't stand Hugh, it's that they can't stand being exposed for the crooks, thieves, and arrogant, dictating assholes that they are.
Thus, the vehemence of their ignorant comments.
They're scared, RPGirl, scared of even the remote possibility that their control and domination of our pocketbooks, through their power to tax us into poverty, is fast coming to an end.
Witness the intense opposition to the revealing of the scamming misuse and abuse of TIF's.
Witness the ignorant rantings opposing even the suggestion that voters should unite and throw out practically every incumbent officeholder, city, county and state.
Witness the level of their banter, the absence of any reasonable, intelligent arguments, the anger stemming from their feelings of panic, at the mere thought that there are enough citizen-voters who will REGISTER TO VOTE and HAVE NO DOUBTS and VOTE INCUMBENTS OUT.
They are all mourning the loss of their previously unchallenged right to mock, and hold in contempt, every citizen/voter not one of their own.
It's not Hugh they hate, it's everyone other than them and their's.
They are the minority.
We are the majority.
When we vote as the majority, united in our commitment to rid ourselves of this minority of manipulators, this minority of professional politicians/liars will find themselves competing for work with those they had previously despised.
Show them no mercy.
It is the sworn responsibility of each and every alderman to inform themselves about each and every issue that comes up for a vote. Anything less is just your par-for-the-course Chicago payroller laziness.
Let's see you clout monkeys post consistently under ONE monicker, then let's see you clout monkeys post ANYTHING other than your standard 'smearfests'.
THEN, let's see you clout monkeys post ANYTHING containing ANY TRUTHS.
Until then, babble on, cretins, babble on.
The Pioneer Press reported (link above):
"Schulter has maintained that he started the process because he was fielding too many calls from private developers ... "
No developer has been officially announced does not mean they are not lined up. Schulter knows who they are he just hasn't said yet. When they are announced we can all check the campaign contributions online and all will become clear in hindsight.
So why didn't Schulter direct the inquiries to the owners of thse properties with a hearty "good luck?" That's the American way, right? The owner of property gets to decide if & when they sell and for how much? Instead the alderman rents out the City's power of eminent domain to private developers for a fee.
"Schulter says he’s routinely bombarded with calls from developers eager to buy up property and tear it down ... "
What I wonder is, what grammar school did these idiots go to?
Their posts read like a satire of broken English, a mixture of several different commonly heard butcheries of the English language.
I can't tell whether these idiots' native languages are Far Eastern, Middle Eastern, Asian, Eastern European, African, or from another planet.
There's little rhyme or reason to their grammatical errors, so, if anyone has experience in linguistics, please humor me and share your evaluation on where these various idiots originally came from, as in, what native languages do these butchered English sentences stem from?
Since poster Hugh seems to know how to criticize those who serve in Public Office, why doesn't the pontificating grumbler put himself up for Office? Give the public a chance to JUDGE Hugh as he Judges others; who knows, maybe a HughII would start twisting public records and infer all kinds of Nefarious allegations against St. Hugh.
The disadvantages with Jackson Jr as mayor; NOT only higher property taxes, etc; But a CITY INCOME TAX most likely, crime at a NIGHTMARISH scenario, exodus of good residents & businesses, hypocracy as far as corruption, the nightmare scenario parallel to a Kucinich administration in 1979 in Cleveland.
Encouraging citizens to vote in every election is anti-democracy?
Encouraging citizens to consider the past actions of incumbents is un-American?
Encouraging citizens to think is going to destroy their confidence in their governments?
Sounds like you must live in China.
The machine's clout monkeys post their drivel on an observable time table, to wit:
Posts between approximately 11am and 2pm tell us they're on their lunch 'hours'.
Posts between approximately 3pm and 5pm tell us they're on their 'late afternoon coffee breaks'.
Posts between approximately 8am and 10am tell us they're on their 'morning coffee breaks'.
Posts appearing during any other time periods tell us they've taken the day off.
And they say everything is beautiful.
So, encouraging the American Public to participate in Democracy is going to 'weaken' the Public's 'faith' in Democracy?
So, encouraging the Public to REGISTER TO VOTE and to VOTE IN EVERY ELECTION is, somehow, 'anti-Democratic'?
So, encouraging the Public to understand exactly what their 'elected' officials are doing with the Public's money, as in the TAXES the PUBLIC pays, is akin to 'sedition'?
Your definition of Democracy and Democratic System is what is 'delusional'.
Your definition, of a Democratic System, is, in actuality, the definition of an Aristocracy, to wit:
Aristocracy:
1: government by the 'best' individuals or by a SMALL PRIVILEGED CLASS
2 a: a government in which power is vested in a MINORITY consisting of those BELIEVED TO BE best qualified
2 b: a state with such a government
3: a governing body or UPPER CLASS usually made up of a HEREDITARY NOBILITY
4: the aggregate of those BELIEVED TO BE superior
So, you believe you are superior.
So, you believe every elected public official is superior.
So, you believe in hereditary rulers.
So, you believe in an upper class ruling over the 'lower classes'.
So, you believe in a minority, consisting of those who believe they are superior, ruling over those who have been persuaded to believe same. (This must be the 'faith' you refer to.)
Sounds like you're a supporter of the very form of 'government' that our founding fathers fought a revolution to rid themselves of.
Sounds like you are, indeed, one of the minions of the 'king'.
Sounds like you are the one who abhors Authentic Democracy.
Sounds like you are the one who is 'anti-Democratic'.
Sounds like you are the one who is promoting an Un-Democratic form of government.
Sounds like you are the one who should take the time, that you have been using to promote the Aristocracy that is our city, county, state and federal governments, and use that time to read our Constitution, our Bill of Rights and the many writings of our founding fathers, so that you might have a chance of understanding what a Democracy is.
Thanks for being so genuinely honest about your beliefs.
The rabble appreciates your honesty.
The same goes for the Mayor trying to railroad Alderman Rielly with the Childerens Muesuem. Alderman Rielly listened to his constituents, and the other Alderman are going to have to live with his dissions."
I'm gonna take another crack at debunking this bogus idea or aldermanic privilege.
First, under state law the power of eminent domain rests with the City Council. The City Council is the corporate authority for the City of Chicago. Schulter is not the corporate authority of the 47th ward, even if all 50 alderman think he is.
Well, aldermanic privilege is not in DEFENSE of local representation - it is the DENIAL of local representation.
Let's take the Children's Museum as an example. Even if you don't live downtown you might have an opinion on whether or City's front yard is a good place for new construction. Because we all have parks in our wards. I want my voice heard. Ald. Reilly is entitled to his vote, but it's not up to him.
We fight tearing up our parks over there so we don't have to fight it here.
when you hear an alderman invoking 'aldermanic privilege" in explanation for a vote:
"Sorry you disagree, but that's not in our ward, and the local alderman was in favor."
... what you should be thinking is:
what a tool, what a cog in the machine, what a lazy ass, I ask you to do ONE THING which is go downtown and represent ME but you are so caught up with going along to get along that you can't manage it
Very well put.
A concise and clear explanation of the issue at hand.
The parallels between the apparent attitudes of the voters here, (in the City That Works and Crook County), and the citizens who lived in Germany during the rise of Nazism, is disturbing, to say the least.
The similarities are undeniable.
I don't recall the famous poem, but the gist of it was this: 'If they ain't doing it to ME, I don't care who they're doing it to'.
Ignorance at it's most damaging.
And most un-Democratic and un-American.
Yet hardly surprising, given the apparently natural human inclination to rarely see beyond the tip of one's own nose.
Where are all those self-proclaimed Christians, who believe that they believe in the words of Christ, those words being to 'Love Thy Neighbor As Thyself' and to 'Do Unto Others As You Would Have Others Do Unto You'?
It looks like our aldermen, along with the many 'silent citizens', believe in 'Go Along To Get Along' instead.
'Aldermanic Privilege', indeed.
Sounds more like 'One Hand Washes the Other'.
So, why haven't you learned anything, since you've been attending this 'class'?
Not paying attention?
Too busy thinking of ways, meager as they are, of making an ass out of yourself?
Too preoccupied with trying to figure out what you're going to do to make a living, once your clouted job is no longer yours?
Too busy touting your master's agendas, albeit feebly?
Or are you just taking the class to kill time?
Or pick up chics?
Or pick up dudes?
Or pick your nose?
C'mon, 'turnspeak boy/girl', how about sharing with us all the wonderful things your bosses have done FOR the citizens of this city and county, all those efficient, economical and helpful ways in which our tax dollars are being spent?
How about giving the citizens the many reasons why they should reelect your touted, incumbent candidates?
How about posting that long list of achievements which prove the valuable services that the incumbents have been rendering to the public they have so genuinely served their entire careers?
How about explaining just where, and for what public services, this year's $500,000,000 of our tax dollars have been siphoned off for, using the mechanism of TIF's to do the siphoning?
How about posting the many reasons you support the present crop of elected incumbents currently holding our city, county and state public offices?
How about it?
...and, oh, by the way, standing up in public and putting your name on it (hint, hint)
Not likely, as I don't clean up so good these days.
And, anyway, it's the thoughts that count.
Right?
And, it's not criticizing government as government, it's observing the failures, mismanagements and abuses engaged in by the individuals the people have either elected or allowed to be elected to positions of governmental authority.
It's the persons in power that are worthy of criticisms, along with the many citizen/voters who've allowed themselves to be played for chumps for so many years.
We're Americans and that's supposed to mean something, other than being the easily fooled patsies our lack of participation in our own governance has shown us to be.
We shame our founding fathers every time an election passes without our individual, thoughtful participation.
HAVE NO DOUBT, VOTE INCUMBENTS OUT
Patience, little knucklehead, patience.
Soon, very soon, all your fears will become reality.
Don't refinance that condo just yet.
So, un-elect them.
With approximately 50% of citizens who are qualified to vote NOT registered to vote, and, with approximately 50% of those citizens who ARE registered to vote NOT voting in any given election, we can conclude that, in most elections, a meager 25% of all citizens who COULD be voting actually ARE voting.
Since the most votes any given candidate would have to receive to win is 51% of all votes cast, simple math tells us that it's been approximately 13% of all potential voters who've been deciding who gets elected.
That's less than 1 out of every 5 citizens deciding who all of our elected representatives will be.
That's less than 1 out of every 5 citizens deciding who our judges will be.
That's less than 1 out of every 5 citizens deciding who will determine which individuals will hold the powers to tax, to make laws, to interpret and adjudicate those laws, to create policies and manage same, to, in effect, impose upon the remaining 87% of us what the minority 13% desire.
We citizens of this city and county allow that meager 13% to rule over us, just by doing nothing.
Apparently, doing nothing seems, to many, better than doing something.
How much something can it be, to:
REGISTER TO VOTE
VOTE IN EVERY ELECTION
HAVE NO DOUBT, VOTE INCUMBENTS OUT
But, who will I vote FOR, you say?
At this point in time, here, in this city and county, I suggest that it doesn't matter who you vote for, only that you cast your votes with the initial goal of denying reelection to most, if not all, of the present incumbents.
Sounds counter intuitive, doesn't it?
But, to ever actually HAVE candidates who are 'worth' voting for, we have to break the stranglehold that both the Democrats and Republicans have had on all of us, here in the City That Works (for crooks) and the County of Crooks, let alone statewide.
The only way to break this stranglehold is for every citizen to focus on doing so.
The only means by which we have to break this stranglehold is our Right to Vote.
The only way we can exercise our Right to Vote is by REGISTERING TO VOTE and by VOTING IN EVERY ELECTION.
We have no valid excuse not to.
All the reasons we use, to justify our collective failures to vote, are mere excuses, which those 13% of us who ARE registered and who DO vote in every election, are more than happy to encourage us use.
Those 13% KNOW what they're doing, when they promote a myriad of reasons and realities which discourage citizen/voters from bothering to participate in the electoral process.
They KNOW just how easily a small minority of citizens can dominate a large majority of citizens.
And they practice what they don't preach.
And all of us who buy into the apathy, the discouragements, the laziness, the carelessness, the resignation, of not bothering to vote or even to register to vote, are allowing those who KNOW what they're doing to remain in control.
In control of what laws we must obey.
In control of what those laws are interpreted to mean and exactly how they are enforced and imposed upon us.
In control of how much we are compelled to pay, in taxes, for the privilege of having these laws imposed upon us.
In control of who receives our tax dollars and for what purposes our tax dollars are used.
And in control of making the very rules that control how we elect those who control us.
While it may seem to be a very tight web that's been spun around all of us, it ain't necessarily so.
We can break through this web by doing what those in control have yet to persuade us we have no right to do, namely, vote them out of office.
Whether we are presented with much better candidates to vote into office, or not, just the event of most incumbents being voted out of office will encourage and inspire many truly honest citizens to run for elected office, once they see that the people care enough about honesty to take the time to:
REGISTER TO VOTE
VOTE IN EVERY ELECTION
HAVE NO DOUBT, VOTE INCUMBENTS OUT
That's good.
But, as you have seen, it's not good enough.
Until a larger number of citizens choose to also Register to Vote and Vote in Every Election, Authentic Democracy will remain a thing of the distant past.
For those elected to public office to honestly be able to claim the support and approval of the majority of citizens, the majority of citizens must participate in the electoral process.
Until then, all any elected official can honestly claim is to have been elected by the meager minority of citizens who have participated.
Hardly a resounding show of support to claim.
"IS HUGH ANTI-DEMOCRACY?
November 28th - 3:58 p.m.
IT SEEMS THAT NO INCUMBENT OFFICIAL OR LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT CAN PLEASE HUGH. HUGH MANAGES TO TAKE PUBLIC RECORDS AND INFER NEFARIOUS THINGS TO THEM,ALL IN AN ATTEMPT TO BESMIRCH ELECTED OFFICIALS ,ELECTED BY THE VOTERS. AT A TIME OF SUCH SERIOUS NATIONAL AND LOCAL PROBLEMS, HUGH IS EITHER SERVING THE CAUSE OF ANARCHY ,OR EVEN THE ENEMIES OF THE UNITED STATES, BECAUSE HIS ACTIVITIES ARE INTENDED TO UNDERMINE PUBLIC FAITH AND SUPPORT IN OUR DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM. ALL A CHALLENGER TO AN ELECTED OFFICIAL NEEDS TO DO TO RECEIVE HUGH'S SMEARS AND INNUENDOES ,IS TO WIN AN ELECTION AND THEREBY BECOME AN INCUMBENT, AND HUGH WILL THAN TWIST THINGS AGAINST THAT NEW OFFICEHOLDER.THERE IS A WORD THAT DESCRIBES HUGH'S ANTI-DEMOCRACY RANTS AND ONE MUST REMIND HUGH THAT FREEDOM OF SPEECH DOES NOT INCLUDE AIDING AND ABETTING THOSE THAT SEEK TO UNDERMINE OUR DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM.ONE WOULD EVEN HAZARD A GUESS THAT HUGH IS SUPPORTING AN EXTREMIST CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT."
"HUGH BY ANY OTHER NAME
November 28th - 6:56 p.m.
IS STILL HUGH! Hugh knows his excessive Anti-Government posts are so redundent,that he uses different titles to disguise that it's him.The STRONG reaction to the truthful exposure of SEDITION, shows that the TRUTH was told. Hugh hates ALL incumbents,meaning he hates our democratically ELECTED government, and his on-line tactics are designed to create complete PUBLIC ALIENATION to their Government(s); Hugh would have readers here and on other blogs and sites believe he is their "WHITE KNIGHT" ,but what he is is a devious Government- Hating ANARCHIST and SEDITIONIST, and no spin by Hugh can change that."
"re"All Caps....."
November 28th - 7:12 p.m.
Now thereis a COMMERCIAL by Hugh, for Hugh! Hugh, do you really think your SEDITIOUS Conspiracy Theories and blanket accusations against all Public Officials, employing your use of inference,innuendo,and misinterpretation and distortions of Public Records makes you ST.HUGH?Au Contraire!oh, one more item,Hugh-Identifying WHAT YOU ARE ,is not a refuge for anybody or anything, it's an observation of FACT!"
"re:re:RPGIRL
November 29th - 12:26 a.m.
Nice try Hugh,the man of a many names.Hugh is an expert at TURNSPEAK and that's what RP GIRL and re:RP GIRL are about;an attempt by Hugh to turn his anti-government/anti-all Elected officials smearfests into something other than what they ARE:- which is his attempt to make people hateful and distrustfull of their ELECTED government(s). One poster made an excellent point-that once a challenger defeats an officeholder, he/she will then enter Hugh's "target list" ,because they than will become an incumbent.Frankly,RPGIRL, the question must be asked,-Why does Hugh pursue an OBSESSED Agenda against those willing to SERVE the public, however Hugh NEVER RUNS for any office himself? The only answer that seems logical is that the poster who stated Hugh is either an anarchist,seditionist,or both may actually have a rather CHILLING point!"
"re:RPGIRL
November 29th - 10:17 a.m.
now RP GIRL gives an excellent example of TURNSPEAK.Posters commented on Hugh's obsession against Gov't. and Public Officials, an obsession obvious on multipleblogs and web sites,and RPgirl TURNSPEAK's it that they are "obsessed".One would have to conclude that Hugh has an AGENDA ,and that AGENDA is to create as much anti-Democracy feelings as possible by use of smears based on lies,distortions,and inferences."
"RE:re: ALL CAPS S____
November 30th - 12:48 p.m.
Now there is the PROPAGANDA TECHNIQUE known as "TURNSPEAK"-an Anarchist/Sedition Artist accusing a poster who points out THEIR ANTI-DEMOCRACY with a twist and the counter charge of the same, trying to cloud the issue. There is no clouding of the Issue, to constantly harp on how DEMOCRACY functions, is SEDITION,as we are at WAR,GLOBALLY, against Forces that want to destroy our way of life and Democratic System. One can only conclude that these AGENDA Posters are trying to aid both, America's enemies ,by DESTROYING CONFIDENCE in all levels of our Governments,but to also aid Extremist Political Candidates!"
"re:PUZZLING
November 30th - 4:37 p.m.
MORE "TURNSPEAK"-IT'S DOUBTFUL THAT THE POSTERS WHO MAKE THE CLAIM OF ANTI-AMERICANISM ARE REFERRING TO CITIZENS VOTING IN EVERY ELECTION OR JUDGING INCUMBENTS ON THEIR RECORDS-WHAT IT SEEMS ,IMO, IS THEY ARE REFERRING TO THE POSTERS THAT MALIGN ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS WITH THE SAME BRUSH,MAKING USE OF LIES,INNUENDOES,AND DISTORTIONS OF PUBLIC RECORDS, ALL WITH THE INTENT TO CREATE PUBLIC MISTRUST AND DISTRUST WITH ALL LEVELS OF AMERICAN GOVERNMENT,AND ALL WHO HOLD OFFICE. THE "VOTE ALL INCUMBENTS" OUT POSTER IS A GLARING EXAMPLE OF THIS SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOR-A-L-L?THAT POSTER IS TRYING TO PERSUADE VOTING CITIZENS THAT ANY AND ALL DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED OFFICIALS ,WITHOUT EXCEPTION, SHOULD BE VOTED OUT IN FAVOR OF "CHAOS CREATING" NEWBIES,WHO THE MINUTE THEY ARE ELECTED WILL BE INCUMBENTS. ONE POSTER KNOWN TO BE THAT UNREASONABLE IS THE ONE NAMED "HUGH""
"re:Patterns
December 1st - 10:13 a.m.
This has to be an example of what a poster refers to as "Seditous posting"! Apparently those who "Hate" public servants,and insisist on painting them with one "tarred"brush,now have it "worked out" in their DELUSIONAL brains that anybody posting against their anti-democratic hallucinations,is somehow connected to local government and somehow "abusing" something!If anything, readers should realize the old saying that the best defense is offense, and the HATEFUL "vote everyone out" crowd,by their assault, are covering their REAL AGENDA,WHICH is SEDITION---WEAKENING THE AMERICAN PUBLIC"S FAITH IN THEIR GOVERNMENT,ITS OFFICIALS AND DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM ITSELF!"
"re:So What Your'e Saying
December 1st - 4:56 p.m.
More "Turnspeak" by the Sedition Crowd LEADER-WHAT IS BEING SAID IS "TO VOTE EVERY INCUMBENT OUT" IS NOT DEMOCRACY, BUT SEDITIOUS ANARCHY! DON'T YOU DARE "TURNSPEAK" THIS THAT ANYONE IS AGAINST LEGITIMATE AMERICAN CITIZENS WHO ARE REGISTERED VOTERS VOTING ,AND FOR WHOEVER THEY CHOOSE!IT'S ABOUT THE ANTI-DEMOCRATIC( NOT THE PARTY) RANTINGS AGAINST ALL GOVERNMENT(S),AT ALL LEVELS, AND AGAINST A-L-L PUBLIC OFFICIALS-THAT'S NOT DEMOCRACY-THAT'S S-E-D-I-T-I-O-N!"
"AGAIN-WHEN DOES ST. HUGH RUN
December 1st - 5:05 p.m.
WHEN DOES HUGH GET OUT FROM BEHIND HIS COMPUTER, AND ACTUALLY RUN FOR AN OFFICE HIMSELF? HE CERTAINLY WOULD SET NEW STANDARDS IN NEGATIVE CAMPAIGNING--THINK OF HIS CAMPAIGN THEME BEING "ALL COMPLAINING,ALL THE TIME", OR"VOTE FOR HUGH-HOLIER THAN THOU", OR HIS VERY CREATIVE-"VOTE ALL INCUMBENTS OUT",WHICH OF COURSE IS HIS SIGNATURE!"
"Hugh's class in Turnspeak
December 1st - 9:39 p.m.
Hugh is conducting a post by post class in "turnspeak"-instead of answering simple questions such as "Who do you support for President" ,or acknowleding his anti-Gov't anarchic diatribes for the un-democratic seditious posts they are, Hugh has the gall to call his exposers anti-democratic/anti-American,when in fact,that's what Hugh himself is."
"AND MORE TURNSPEAK
December 2nd - 1:04 a.m.
WHY DO YOU ASSUME THAT TO OPPOSE YOUR CONSTANT WHINING MEANS ONE HAS A "CLOUTED JOB? THAT'S COGNITIVE DISSONANCE,HUGH!"
Happy now?
GOING GOING GONE....MARK MY WORDS... GRASSROOTS HAVE BEGUN
Hold on tight to that thought.
And think it about every last incumbent who has proven themselves unworthy of reelection.
That would be most all incumbents.
Since you either read, but do not comprehend OR you comprehend but choose to deceive, it's expected that you'd have chosen to post yet another falsehood.
I'm encouraging the many citizens who either are not registered to vote or, being registered, don't bother to vote, to get registered and vote or vote, if already registered.
I am further recommending that practically all incumbents should not be reelected, given that practically all incumbents are either professional Democrats or professional Republicans.
Professional as in 'in it for the power and the money', not primarily to serve the public who elected them.
You may disagree with my assessment of Democrats and Republicans, as is your right.
Others may agree with my assessment and, hopefully, cast their votes accordingly.
Since either the Republican party or the Democratic party have ruled our city, county, state and federal governments for nigh on a century now, and, since these two parties have, for several generations, been composed of individuals who have proven themselves to be sorely lacking in even the basic qualities of honesty, integrity, morality, intelligence, and a sincere understanding and appreciation for the principles upon which our country was founded, it is clear that both parties have failed Democracy, have failed the citizens and have long ago abandoned Authentic Democracy, our Constitution and Bill of Rights, upon which our Democracy depends.
For you to support this failed two party 'system' reveals your lack of support for Authentic Democracy, our Constitution and our Bill of Rights.
This makes you a truly 'amazing fellow', as in 'it's amazing that you have the gall to consider yourself a true American, when it is so obvious that you are not.
You may continue to coat all incumbent Democrats and/or Republicans with your sugar coating, as seems to be your desire.
I will continue to encourage all citizens to not be fooled by this thin, veneer of sweetness which covers a bitter and poisonous inner core of lies.
HAVE NO DOUBT, VOTE INCUMBENTS OUT
"DO YOU KNOW UNIVERSITIES GIVE DEGREES IN POLITICAL SCIENCE,PUBLIC AFFAIRS,GOVERNMENT ..."
Are you sure you want to digress from your, to date, pure form of blanket, simple-minded, accusatory criticisms of anyone who dares to question the veracity of those who have dominated the electorate for generations?
Are you sure you want to attempt to engage in a conversation containing any elements of intelligence, thoughtfulness, reason, logic, honesty and sincerity?
Are you sure you want to enter the deep waters of being honest, honest with others and honest with yourself?
Are you sure you really want to explore the many details of human nature, both currently experienced and historically observed?
Are you sure you want to face the realities of life?
Because that's what you are inviting, should you choose to actually discuss the subjects you occasionally seem to accidentally raise.
I have yet to see you post a comment that gives me any confidence that you have the capacity to think, or the patience to attempt to do so.
But, hey, surprise me and give it a shot.
So, questioning the veracity, integrity, honesty and sincerity of elected officials is the same, in your world, as feeling contempt for same?
So, your belief is that few, if any, public officials ever lie?
Or commit theft by various frauds?
Or merit any criticism?
Or mismanage the taxpayers dollars?
Or misuse and/or misappropriate taxpayers dollars?
Or misrepresent themselves to the voters prior to an election?
Or ever conceal their relationships with private individuals who, somehow, end up receiving lucrative city, county and/or state contracts, lucrative city, county and/or state legal determinations, lucrative city, county and/or state employment, etc., etc., etc.....?
Or accept financial assistance from these private individuals?
Or their business enterprises?
Or their 'not-for-profit' enterprises?
If anything, using the word 'simple-minded', to refer to your comments, is being much too generous, though your choice of words to post is, indeed, simple-minded.
The fact that many, if not most, if not all, public officials lie on a regular basis is why I refer the them as liars.
The fact that many, if not most, if not all, public officials participate, by acts of commission and/or omission, in various thieveries, is why I refer to them as thieves.
Since your response to my post was, in no way, surprising, I extend the same invitation to you once again, to wit:
"Are you sure you want to digress from your, to date, pure form of blanket, simple-minded, accusatory criticisms of anyone who dares to question the veracity of those who have dominated the electorate for generations?
Are you sure you want to attempt to engage in a conversation containing any elements of intelligence, thoughtfulness, reason, logic, honesty and sincerity?
Are you sure you want to enter the deep waters of being honest, honest with others and honest with yourself?
Are you sure you really want to explore the many details of human nature, both currently experienced and historically observed?
Are you sure you want to face the realities of life?"
Let's see if you have the capacity to be surprising.
At least you are a 'person' of few words.
“Today, I met with representatives from a number of businesses on the
4800 block on N. Western Avenue to further address concerns regarding
implementing acquisition authority. As I have stated from the beginning, this is going to be a collaborative process. Language is now being changed in the ordinance to assure many of the property owners and other stakeholders that we are in this process together. Under the new language, the City of Chicago states any acquisition north of 4807 N. Western Avenue will occur only on a volunteer basis, where the terms of purchase are mutually acceptable. The City will not seek to acquire any such properties by condemnation.
"The City will also make every effort to achieve a mutual agreement with the owners of the Walgreens building. However, the City will reserve the right to acquire this property involuntarily if necessary.
"Previously, I asked the City Council to defer voting on this issue at the City Council meeting on November 13, 2007 to give us more time to review the language. In consideration of the new changes, the matter will once again not go before the full City Council on Wednesday, December 12, 2007, but will return to committee for review.
"I would like to also take this opportunity to thank the many residents of the 47th Ward who have called, written, and emailed their thoughts and views on this issue to my office expressing both support and concerns. I hope that we continue to work together as a community to move forward in achieving our shared goals for Lincoln Square.”
Schulter finally figured out that the voters finally figured out what he was up to and, when they did, decided they didn't like it one damn bit.
People are increasingly fed up with HAVING TO PAY FOR corrupt and self-serving politicians.
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 6:04 PM
To: IJ Distribution
Subject: Rally at City Council to Save Lincoln Square
*NOTE: The ordinance will NOT be voted on tomorrow, but we encourage you to attend the rally to show your support for the Lincoln Square business owners.*
MEDIA ADVISORY
EVENT: Rally at City Council to Save Lincoln Square
TIME/DATE: 9am/Wednesday, December 12, 2007
PLACE: Outside of City Council Chambers
2nd Floor Elevator Lobby
City Hall
121 N. La Salle Street
Chicago, IL 60602
PARTICIPANTS: Imre Hidvegi, Chicago Soccer
Tim Le, Decorium Furniture
CONTACT: Imre Hidvegi: 773-271-2255 or ihidvegi@chicagosoccer.net
SUMMARY:
On Wednesday, December 12, at 9am, business owners from Save Lincoln Square will hold a rally before the full City Council meeting to protest the abuse of eminent domain in Lincoln Square, Chicago.
On Monday, December 10, Alderman Schulter told Chicago Soccer, Decorium Furniture, and The Dental Corner that he is introducing a new ordinance that will not allow the acquisition of their properties through eminent domain. Five parcels, including a Walgreens and many small offices, will still be subject to condemnation if they don’t sell.
The city was expected to authorize the acquisition of the 16 properties on the 4800 block of North Western Avenue at its full meeting on Wednesday, December 12. Alderman Schulter has claimed that he is trying to “control development” in the area—specifically, by condemning and marketing the land to private developers for new retail and condominiums.
Schulter pulled the ordinance and introduced the substitute less than one week after 250 community members joined together at Chicago Soccer to learn how to stop eminent domain abuse in Chicago. After the meeting, over 100 residents marched to Schulter’s ward office, shouting “Save Lincoln Square – Stop Eminent Domain.” The ordinance has been sent back to the Committee on Housing and Real Estate, and will not be put to a vote on Wednesday.
“Alderman Schulter is saying he won’t condemn our businesses now,” said Imre Hidvegi of Chicago Soccer, “yet we’re still on an acquisition list. We will not allow him to come back and try to do this again later. If city officials think that resistance from the community will die down, they better think again – it’s only growing.”
“My business may be safe for now, but if my neighbor’s business is being taken, who’s to say the city won’t come back for mine?” said Tim Le, owner of Decorium Furniture. Tim and his wife, Kim, fled Vietnam by boat in the 1980s in pursuit of the American Dream.
Hidvegi and Le will speak at the rally about their meeting with Alderman Schulter and what still needs to be done to stop eminent domain abuse in Lincoln Square. If you have questions, contact Imre Hidvegi and visit www.SaveLincolnSquare.com.
# # #
Christina Walsh
Castle Coalition Coordinator
Institute for Justice
901 N. Glebe Road, Suite 900
Arlington, VA 22203
(703) 682-9320
(703) 682-9321 (fax)
www.ij.org
www.castlecoalition.org
The only sentence in Schulter's statement that needs to be remembered and understood:
"However, the City will reserve the right to acquire this property involuntarily if necessary."
"...RESERVE THE RIGHT..."?
Yep, that's it right there.
And our Federal Supreme Court has ruled in support of this 'right' to impose eminent domain for the specific purposes and reasons being used here.
If anyone still has doubts about the nature of the liars holding elected office, here's a sentence from Schulter that precedes the above quote:
"The City will not seek to acquire any such properties by condemnation."
So, first Schulter states that the city will NOT force the sale of real property, then states that the city reserves the RIGHT to force the sale of real property.
What is the definition of a liar?
Saying you'll do one thing and, then, doing the opposite?
How often do our 'elected' officials say one thing and then do the opposite?
Maybe a better question would be, how often don't they?
I just saw Schulter on the news, back-pedaling so fast you'd think he'd had a lot of experience doing so.
His statement appeared to be that the city would not 'ever' be using the power of eminent domain to force the sale of any of 'these properties'.
Yet, is appears that the only properties his amended ordinance characterizes as being removed from his 'hit list' are still going to remain subject to the 'reserved right' of involuntary acquisition.
How many tongues do these guys have?
As many as they need, it seems.
Why does it take citizens having to protest injustice to even get a probably short lived reprieve from injustice?
Why is it that those we elect to represent our interests so dependably prove to be only representing the interests of everyone other than those who elected them?
A few of our fellow citizens may appear to have dodged a bullet here, for how long is anyone's guess, but what about the rest of us?
Do we all just have to resign ourselves to being vulnerable to every greedy fuck with money deciding they want to 'acquire' our personal, real property, whether we want to sell it or not, our individual desires be damned?
If these self-styled 'leaders', aka rulers, aka big shots, aka bosses, don't succeed in taxing us out of our homes and businesses, why, they'll just eminent domain us out.
When will the citizens of this city and county decide they've had enough of this bullshit?
Or will they ever?