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E-mail to a friendThe City Council's great debate over the Children Museum is over, and the burning question is this: How did we do with our predictions?
Overall, not so bad. The council voted 33-16 with one absentee (alderman Carrie Austin) to approve Mayor Daley's proposal to move the Children's Museum into Grant Park over the wishes of local alderman Brendan Reilly and many of his constituents. Mick predicted the vote would go 35-15 for the mayor; Ben, ever the optimist, had it going 31-19. Here's where we blundered.
Second Ward alderman Robert Fioretti: We both predicted he would vote against the mayor, but he wimped out. Some days he's acted like an independent; now he's behaving like one of the boys, albeit slicker and smoother. So what's he angling for?
Third Ward alderman Pat Dowell: Ben picked it--she voted against the mayor. As she called out to Mick before today's vote, "You had me wrong." Glad to hear it.
Fifth Ward alderman Leslie Hairston: Voted against the mayor after we predicted she wouldn't. Obviously she has more guts--or more vocal lakefront constituents--than we thought.
Thirteenth Ward alderman Frank Olivo: He voted with the mayor. Ben: "I thought his boss, Michael Madigan, would make him go to bat for Reilly, Madigan's former legislative aide. Boy, did I misjudge Madigan's loyalty. I wouldn't want to be in a foxhole with him." Mick: "A 'no' vote would have required Olivo to say something other than 'aye.'"
Fifteenth Ward alderman Toni Foulkes: We predicted she would vote against the mayor, but she voted with him. Got to give credit to--gulp--Orion, one of this blog's leading fans/critics. He hit this one right on the head when he wrote, "Ring up another one we have flipped."
Twenty-first Ward alderman Howard Brookins: This was a late-hour flip--trust us. The mayor must have put the squeeze on. And hard.
Twenty-second Ward alderman Rick Munoz: We had him voting against the mayor--in fact, we thought this one was a no-brainer--but he didn't. Is he going the way of Helen Shiller? Does this mean he won't be able to lead the independent caucus anymore?
24th Ward alderman Sharon Denise Dixon: We assumed she traded her vote for the Ogden-Pulaski TIF deals. But she proved us wrong. West side!
26th Ward alderman Billy Ocasio: A resounding 'yes' when we'd both predicted no. Ben: "I didn't really believe he had the guts to buck the mayor--Mick made me do it, I swear." Mick: "Mayor Daley made Ocasio do it--I swear."
41st Ward alderman Brian Doherty: We predicted he would vote with the mayor, but he rebelled. There must be more opposition to the museum on far northwest side than we realized (which just goes to show you what lackeys alderman Margaret Laurino and Patrick Levar are).
44th Ward alderman Tom Tunney: Ben was right and Mick was wrong--he voted against the mayor. Mick: "To my shock, he stuck up for the lakefront, not the man."
47th Ward alderman Eugene Schulter: Same as Tunney. Mick: "In other words, he caught hell from his ward."
I could post a comment concerning the ridiculous and disingenuous nature of your's, point by point, but I think this about sums it up:
Fuck Off.
Yet, one question still lingers. Which Orion are you talking about? There's so many.
This museum is just another free gift of public land to a heavy set of donors.
BUt it isn't that big of a deal.
Wait until the IOC shows up, then the Mayor and his lackey aldermen/park district will REally be giving away our space. I can't wait.
Chicago , you have been sold out again.
It is just a matter of time before we flip more of the so-called SEIU supported alderflaks to our side.
Don't you people realize that WE are in charge here ?
Yes, you folks in the 4th estate and some of the goo-goo government types get a pyhrric victory every now and then, but in the end, we are in control.
Deal with it. And voting the incumbents out is a joke.
Your pathetic life revolves around this message board while your family suffers and your dad rolls in his grave that you can't get, let alone hold, a real job once you got canned by the City.
You're a sell-out whore out for sale to the highest bidder, and of no use to anybody. And you can't deliver dick in any event. No bodies, no strategies, no talent, no nothing but shooting your pathetic little mouth off.
Now, come back with some 'tough guy behind a keyboard' response about what a leader you are, how you influenced elections whose outcomes had nothing to do with you and how much I suck even though you have no clue who I am.
I mean seriously, here's a post about the fucking children's museum and you still have to try to make it about you. Heaven help you when your internet gets cut off and you have nobody to spout off to but yourself in a mirror.
"I mean seriously, here's a post about the fucking children's museum....."
If you really think this post is about the 'children's museum', then you must believe that Daley's diarrhea is the same as chocolate ice cream.
"I mean, seriously...... You're a sell-out whore out for sale to the highest bidder, and of no use to anybody.", aren't you?
Yes, which is why they need term limits.
Don't get me wrong, I was the guy wearing the goose suit - I see the foie gras bill for what it was. But the way it was repealed was a dirty game that Tunney surely recognizes would have been better played by someone who is a Daley lackey, not someone who wants to appear more policy-oriented.
Daley is in charge, but once we goes (and my sources tell me he seems more stressed out, and gets more and more loaded at evening events), the "new machine" is toast, there isn't anyone out there who can put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
Why not put some action to back up all your ranting and work to defeat Daley in the next election? It should be rather easy, no?
June 11th - 11:50 p.m.
How about you fuck off, you joke.
Your pathetic life revolves around this message board while your family suffers and your dad rolls in his grave that you can't get, let alone hold, a real job once you got canned by the City.
You're a sell-out whore out for sale to the highest bidder, and of no use to anybody. And you can't deliver dick in any event. No bodies, no strategies, no talent, no nothing but shooting your pathetic little mouth off.
Now, come back with some 'tough guy behind a keyboard' response about what a leader you are, how you influenced elections whose outcomes had nothing to do with you and how much I suck even though you have no clue who I am.
I mean seriously, here's a post about the fucking children's museum and you still have to try to make it about you. Heaven help you when yo
Don't you remember the raid on Ricardo Munoz fathers business. The Mayors deal to Munoz was to get the Feds to back off his father.In regards to Fioretti, he was promised a lfe times supply of Just for Men (blond)
I'll keep posting attacks at coconutty and people will believe me, even though I'm scared to give my name.
Boy! Coconate must shiver in his boots from post like " HEY FRANK"
It's tough being 'independent' when you're being blackmailed.
Why is it that opposition to the mayor is the only way the media can guage how independent or progressive an alderman is or isn't. I believe that the childrens' musum vote is a very poor barometer of where the council stands as a body. Wait for the next living wage vote and then tell us who has been "flipped" and who hasn't.
There are obviously many different ways to look at this issue and we therefore did not engage our city council allies on this particular issue. Rest assured Orion you have not "flipped" Toni Foulkes. She is most definately on the side of working families and will have ample opportunity to show you and your ghost payrolling pals soon enough where she stands.
"First things first"
Fuck oreo; he's a self-claimed daley troll, and a feeble one at that. Never posts anything of substance. He's as irrelevant as the sweat from daley's scrotum dripping off his (oreo's) chin.
"Some argue that a vote against the childrens' museum is theoretically a vote to protect the last bastion of machine priviledge which is the aldermans' right to zone his/her own ward."
NOT the issue, as zoning has nothing to do with the illegal misuse of publicly owned parkland.
"Why is it that opposition to the mayor is the only way the media can guage how independent or progressive an alderman is or isn't."
Gee, could it be because the majority of proposed lawmaking originates in the Mayor's office, the Executive branch of our city's government, rather than where it's supposed to originate, from the needs of the Legislative branch's constituents, supposedly being honestly and sincerely represented by their elected Legislative representatives, ie., their aldermen/women?
"There are obviously many different ways to look at this issue...."
Not really.
Either the public parkland belongs to the public, solely for the free and open use of the public, or it doesn't.
Fact is, it does.
Thus, any act that impedes the publics' complete and free access to said publicly owned parkland is, by definition, denying the publics' rights to enjoy the unimpeded use of their property.
"...and we therefore did not engage our city council allies on this particular issue."
I would hope that the primary reason you did not weigh in on this issue is because it has nothing to do with your responsibilities and obligations to your union membership's interests.
"Wait for the next living wage vote and then tell us who has been "flipped" and who hasn't."
This, of course, is an issue that it is your responsibility to concern yourselves with.
If Toni Foulkes is worthy of your membership's support, it would seem that she should avoid acting as a rubber stamp for the mayor's dictatorial agendas, unless you are implying that her support for the mayor's agenda on this issue has been 'horse-traded' for his commitment to not oppose your membership's interests concerning the aforementioned living wage proposals.
Is that what happened?
Now go join your members and finish emptying the trash can in my office and mopping the floor in The Hall.
Madigan is busy trying to keep Daley on his side while he fights against Blagojevich. No surprise at all.
Your office?
Funny.
Only a nitwit SEIU pol would write that, to cover up the fact their milion dollar baby is now in the Mayor's pocket. face it, you are broke and so are your candidates.
The grant park grab was opposed by the same people who pay your salary.